[HAM] hammond Digest, M-100 Speakers

[G sherlock Miller]

What may be amiss is the fact that the speaker leads plug in with a m/f plug
near that big honkin transformer on top of the amp. It is keyed to plug only
one way. M3 amps only have enough wires present for the 12in. M100 has
another lead to go to the Reverb. Both are AO29's. I hope you got the right
replacement.
George Miller
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>    1. Re: Doors vid on YouTube (MarkTii at aol.com)
>    2. Re: speaker connection on M-100 (Stainless Brown)
>    3. Re: speaker connection on M-100 (Wayne)
>    4. Re: speaker connection on M-100 (Stainless Brown)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:26:31 EST
> From: MarkTii at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [HAM] Doors vid on YouTube
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> Interesting video - Ray's playing was so-so.  But, Robby Krieger's  guitar
> playing was fascinating.  I never realized that he played with that  much
of a
> fingerpicking technique - like a simplified Leo Kotke style.
>
> I saw them live (about 90 years ago) at the Seattle Pops Festival at
> Goldcreek "Park/Resort" but I was SOOOO FARRRR away that they appeared
like tiny
> matchsticks.
>
> And BTW, Manzarek's vocals weren't that much worse than Morrison's were
> live.  In fact, Morrison was at times simply awful.
>
> Mark
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:49:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: Stainless Brown <stainlessbrown at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [HAM] speaker connection on M-100
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> Something is amiss--- This is a M-111 (I always though the two digits
after the first one had to do with the cabinet/style/finish)
>
>   anyway- the 8" speaker has one lead which comes from the AO-29
(terminal is marked "BN" over a "T". The other speaker wire is blue and goes
up into the tone gereator.
>
>   From the same BN/T terminal is a black wire, which seems to be paired
with a green wire (comes from the tone generator), both of which have been
cut when the previous owner pulled the AO-44-  would these be the signal
inputs for the AO-44  (and would it watter which wire went to which terminal
>
>   ..which leaves me at the speaker output from the AO-44 and where exactly
do I connect it?
>
>   Stan
>
>   Organtec <organtec at charter.net> wrote:
>   The reverb amp drives the 8" speaker. The main amp drives the 2 12" in
> parallel.
>
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> Behalf Of Stainless Brown
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> Subject: [HAM] speaker connection on M-100
>
>
> I'm in the process of putting my M-100 back together, the previous owner
> robbed the reverb amp and one of the speakers from it. I never really
> looked at the speaker connection before, always assuming that the missing
> speaker was for the AO-44 output, however I notice that the remaing 12"
> speaker (in the center) has a set of parallel "jumpers which would
> conveniently connect to the other (and adjacent)12".
>
> The 8" speaker seams to get one lead from the main power amp and the other
> comes from the tone generator
>
> Any ideas?
> Thanks
> Stan
>
> PS, I still have the Leslie x77P power supply and amplifiers if anybody's
> interested for the price of shipping it.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:45:27 -0800
> From: Wayne <wayne at wpjohnson.net>
> Subject: Re: [HAM] speaker connection on M-100
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> Hi,
>
> As Organtec said, the 2 12 inch speakers are driven in parallel by the
> main amp. The input for the reverb amp is taken from the VC terminal on
> one of the 12 inch speakers.
>
> The output of the reverb amp goes to the reverb I and reverb II switches,
> then to the 8 inch speaker.
>
> I sold my M-111 organ so I can't look to check wire colors, but the black
> wire is most likely ground, both the 12 inch and 8 inch speakers have one
> side of the VC grounded.
>
> The green wire probably does not go to the TG, but rather to the reverb
> switches. You will need to trace out the wiring to the reverb switches and
> find the two correct wires, one to the reverb amp output and one to the 8
> inch speaker. Wiring from the main amp to the 12 inch speakers and from
> the 12 inch speaker to the reverb amp input should be pretty much obvious.
>
> Of course, if the previous owner made more extensive changes than just
> removing the reverb amp and two speakers, then anything is possible as far
> as the wiring condition goes.
>
> By the way, the two 12 inch speakers are not identical. One, with the
> larger magnet, is the "bass" speaker and the other is the "treble"
> speaker. No crossover is used.
>
> Hope this is of some help.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 07:49:17 -0800, Stainless Brown
> <stainlessbrown at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Something is amiss--- This is a M-111 (I always though the two digits
> > after the first one had to do with the cabinet/style/finish)
> >  anyway- the 8" speaker has one lead which comes from the AO-29
> > (terminal is marked "BN" over a "T". The other speaker wire is blue and
> > goes up into the tone gereator.
> >  From the same BN/T terminal is a black wire, which seems to be paired
> > with a green wire (comes from the tone generator), both of which have
> > been cut when the previous owner pulled the AO-44-  would these be the
> > signal inputs for the AO-44  (and would it watter which wire went to
> > which terminal
> >  ..which leaves me at the speaker output from the AO-44 and where
> > exactly do I connect it?
> >  Stan
> >  Organtec <organtec at charter.net> wrote:
> >   The reverb amp drives the 8" speaker. The main amp drives the 2 12" in
> > parallel.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:57:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: Stainless Brown <stainlessbrown at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [HAM] speaker connection on M-100
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> Hi Wayne
>
>   Thanks-  Do you know if the BN/T terminal on the AO-29 is just a common
ground connection point? (looking at the back of the AO-29, it is the far
right terminal)
>
>   the black from the 8" VC goes this terminal, as does a a couple of other
wires (one brown, the others black), one of which is part of the green/black
pair I spoke of earlier.
>
>   The blue wire from the othet side of the 8" VC does appear to go to the
Reverb switches, and the green wire (paired with the aforementioned black
wire) appears to come from there, as does another black wire which also
terminates at the BN/T terminal.
>
>   From the 12" VC both terminals to the reverb amp signal input? (just to
make sure... it does seem an odd design (to me at least ) to send a speaker
output to a amp input... would seem a source of distortion (gain staging)
although it looks like the signal input goes to the reverb and then back to
the amp, so maybe the Volume compressor acts as a limiter(?)
>
>   I'm still confused as to what the SPKR terminals connect to (green/black
pair???)
>
>   and is polarity of importance for the signal input or speaker?
>
>   Thanks much for any/all info
>
>   Stan
>
> Wayne <wayne at wpjohnson.net> wrote:
>   Hi,
>
> As Organtec said, the 2 12 inch speakers are driven in parallel by the
> main amp. The input for the reverb amp is taken from the VC terminal on
> one of the 12 inch speakers.
>
> The output of the reverb amp goes to the reverb I and reverb II switches,
> then to the 8 inch speaker.
>
> I sold my M-111 organ so I can't look to check wire colors, but the black
> wire is most likely ground, both the 12 inch and 8 inch speakers have one
> side of the VC grounded.
>
> The green wire probably does not go to the TG, but rather to the reverb
> switches. You will need to trace out the wiring to the reverb switches and
> find the two correct wires, one to the reverb amp output and one to the 8
> inch speaker. Wiring from the main amp to the 12 inch speakers and from
> the 12 inch speaker to the reverb amp input should be pretty much obvious.
>
> Of course, if the previous owner made more extensive changes than just
> removing the reverb amp and two speakers, then anything is possible as far
> as the wiring condition goes.
>
> By the way, the two 12 inch speakers are not identical. One, with the
> larger magnet, is the "bass" speaker and the other is the "treble"
> speaker. No crossover is used.
>
> Hope this is of some help.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 07:49:17 -0800, Stainless Brown
> wrote:
>
> > Something is amiss--- This is a M-111 (I always though the two digits
> > after the first one had to do with the cabinet/style/finish)
> > anyway- the 8" speaker has one lead which comes from the AO-29
> > (terminal is marked "BN" over a "T". The other speaker wire is blue and
> > goes up into the tone gereator.
> > From the same BN/T terminal is a black wire, which seems to be paired
> > with a green wire (comes from the tone generator), both of which have
> > been cut when the previous owner pulled the AO-44- would these be the
> > signal inputs for the AO-44 (and would it watter which wire went to
> > which terminal
> > ..which leaves me at the speaker output from the AO-44 and where
> > exactly do I connect it?
> > Stan
> > Organtec wrote:
> > The reverb amp drives the 8" speaker. The main amp drives the 2 12" in
> > parallel.
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