[HAM] 122 doesn't want to change to slow

[Peter D Abrams]

I'm gonna order pizza tonight. I see the shill has responded....

mtcasino wrote:

>The Caribbian installs the exact same way; you plug it in and mount it to
>the Leslie.
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>The Hamptones are not troublesome per say.
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per se. Did you pass the GED? I think not.

>You definitely have to have clean
>lubricated motors. Not so much so with the Caribbian thou it don't hurt. The
>Caribbian delivers more turning power than the Hamptone.
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How? Why? Turning power= more torque=more heat.

>I have always heard from the one who is selling a product that it is the
>best and there is no problems. A number of techs use the Hamptone. But a
>larger number of techs are using the Caribbian. Check with the MITA people.
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For 150 bucks a year? I know a few folks who get it for free because 
they *actually know things*

>What I don't care for in the Hamptone the most is the lack of isolation from
>the AC Mains to the circuit. The same type of circuit is used in cheep cell
>phone power supplies. That may be OK if you're only drawing 20ma or so of
>current, but not for this item. Let me spell it out. Half the AC Main is
>connected directly to a diode and a dropping resistor; this is your B+. The
>other leg of the AC Main goes to a fuse then to circuit ground!!!!
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Explain in detail why this is a bad thing. Ted has expounded the same 
deal in posts prior. It's a big deal, because....

>The second thing that bothers me is the use of a M.O.V. (metal oxide
>varistor) at the AC output. These little beauties suck up any spikes caused
>by turning on and off the motors. Great idea on paper. But M.O.V.'s can only
>do this for a period of time and then they do nothing. It is like having a
>whole pie and removing slices of the pie until there is nothing left. So
>when the M.O.V. is useless those spikes will play havoc with the CMOS chips
>in the circuit. 
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Dude. (I know most folks have already deleted this post, I would)

The MOV is for starting surge current while the power supply caps charge 
up. Once the system is up , the MOV would only kick in if  an input 
surge from the house happened.
The input caps in front of the VR's will smooth out the spikes. Putting 
.1mf  caps on the chips, and anything but a direct lightning strike 
wouldn't kill the uh, CMOS. CMOS? what decade are you living in? Who 
uses CMOS?

>The third thing I don't like is The Hamptone has 4 switches with 4 possible
>speed selections while the Caribbian has 4 switches with 16 possible
>selections. This is kind of a mute point because only 1 or 2 settings will
>be right for your ears.
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Moot, you illiterate smock. Yer spellchecker needs help. Anyway, only 
one of the Hamptone switches was even close. That's why I built my 
original controller. The one that your buddy CEO bought 4 from me and 
even though I told him they were beta,  wanted  to sell a billion of 
them, until he blew one up. I refunded all of his indebtness. Situation 
done, until he made a quite unsolubrious remark about my product on that 
other place. Hamtech. Yeah, I said it.

>The last thing is, and this goes for both controllers, they both use those
>dam soldered in micro fuses that are the size of, and look like, resistors!
>I never had one go on me in either controller but it just bugs me.
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Bugs you. What if the (ahem) installer screws up, and/or motors are 
shorted, and/or the end user plugs the wrong things into the wrong sockets?
Fuses are there to *protect*. Ya want yer leslie to go up in flames 
because you or the installer or the end user did something wrong?
 I don't think so.

>I'm not completely sure if the EIS SSR needs a load on it in order to switch
>a motor controller or not, but the Caribbian dose provide a circuit to
>accommodate SSR's that do not.
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>Mike
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Does. Not dose. And be completely sure. It's a Triac driven circuit, and 
it doesn't care.

And I thank you Mike, for furthering my resolve to get back in business. 
You're good.

best,

pda

PS to Don.  I didn't mean to start a petty bitchslap war in your 
neighborhood, but Mr.CEO needs to understand that he and his 
understudies are so small in the whole scope of things that none of this 
matters, so why try to be a chest beating jerk? All of us that do things 
for the Hammond Leslie world pretty much get along. Why can't he?